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		<title>By: kn</title>
		<link>http://www.beachycomplex.com/2007/10/a-serious-discussion-a-second-attempt.html#comment-6222</link>
		<dc:creator>kn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 01:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to write this! Internal, for-real, obvious change is of the Holy Spirit and glorifies God, not any man. It cannot be forced or invented by man, just as physical life can only come from God. My family tried for many years to "fit in" to the conservative Menno. church as did many others. Just didn't work! Some of your own may leave because they get disgruntled with the church standards, but may I venture to say, that I doubt few of these people "from the world" leave because they are sick and tired of cape dresses and straight cut suit jackets! However by the time all is said and done and they have been sufficiently traumitized, the sight of one might send them running for cover! How sad...so many "good" people...so much religion...too little relationship. Oh Heavenly Father, help us to hurt with your hurt, with the hurts of those around us! Help us to know Your heart, and love with Your love! And one more thing, dear fellow Christians, let us pray for the carnage left by the wayside...and may God deliver us from our self-rightiousness, me first of all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to write this! Internal, for-real, obvious change is of the Holy Spirit and glorifies God, not any man. It cannot be forced or invented by man, just as physical life can only come from God. My family tried for many years to &#8220;fit in&#8221; to the conservative Menno. church as did many others. Just didn&#8217;t work! Some of your own may leave because they get disgruntled with the church standards, but may I venture to say, that I doubt few of these people &#8220;from the world&#8221; leave because they are sick and tired of cape dresses and straight cut suit jackets! However by the time all is said and done and they have been sufficiently traumitized, the sight of one might send them running for cover! How sad&#8230;so many &#8220;good&#8221; people&#8230;so much religion&#8230;too little relationship. Oh Heavenly Father, help us to hurt with your hurt, with the hurts of those around us! Help us to know Your heart, and love with Your love! And one more thing, dear fellow Christians, let us pray for the carnage left by the wayside&#8230;and may God deliver us from our self-rightiousness, me first of all!</p>
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		<title>By: prettyclosehome</title>
		<link>http://www.beachycomplex.com/2007/10/a-serious-discussion-a-second-attempt.html#comment-4591</link>
		<dc:creator>prettyclosehome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an old saying that goes something like this - "Even an Indian wouldn't shoot down another wounded Indian."  So my l-o-n-g standing question is as a former-Beachy-but-now-Mennonite is this - Why are our "wounded" shot down and not helped up???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an old saying that goes something like this - &#8220;Even an Indian wouldn&#8217;t shoot down another wounded Indian.&#8221;  So my l-o-n-g standing question is as a former-Beachy-but-now-Mennonite is this - Why are our &#8220;wounded&#8221; shot down and not helped up???</p>
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		<title>By: MJS</title>
		<link>http://www.beachycomplex.com/2007/10/a-serious-discussion-a-second-attempt.html#comment-3693</link>
		<dc:creator>MJS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pleased to know there are other "Beachys" out there who care about the walls of culture we've put up.  I left the Beachys mainly because of this very thing.  (Now attend nondenominational church.)  For years, I watched "non-Mennonites" come &#38; go.  Usually, by the time they left they were angry &#38; I couldn't blame them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pleased to know there are other &#8220;Beachys&#8221; out there who care about the walls of culture we&#8217;ve put up.  I left the Beachys mainly because of this very thing.  (Now attend nondenominational church.)  For years, I watched &#8220;non-Mennonites&#8221; come &amp; go.  Usually, by the time they left they were angry &amp; I couldn&#8217;t blame them.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.beachycomplex.com/2007/10/a-serious-discussion-a-second-attempt.html#comment-3544</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI HBB email me when you see this!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI HBB email me when you see this!  <img src='http://www.beachycomplex.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.beachycomplex.com/2007/10/a-serious-discussion-a-second-attempt.html#comment-3543</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The HBB is my brother. "OUCH!" HA HA! Figure that out. Anyway our mother is not a "Beachy" or "Mennonite" and never will be, even though she has gone to a "Beachy" church for over 30 years. For you see, "Beachys" and "Mennonites" are born. Just as Japanese, Mexicans, and Americans will always be Japanese, Mexicans, Or Americans, so "Beachys" and "Mennonites" will always be "Beachys" or "Mennonites". And "Non-Mennonites" Never will BECOME "Mennonites" just as "Non-Beachys" never will BECOME "Beachys". I Could write lots more, but will close with that. Are there any "Testimonies" or "Announcements",............................................................................. if not let's stand for prayer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The HBB is my brother. &#8220;OUCH!&#8221; HA HA! Figure that out. Anyway our mother is not a &#8220;Beachy&#8221; or &#8220;Mennonite&#8221; and never will be, even though she has gone to a &#8220;Beachy&#8221; church for over 30 years. For you see, &#8220;Beachys&#8221; and &#8220;Mennonites&#8221; are born. Just as Japanese, Mexicans, and Americans will always be Japanese, Mexicans, Or Americans, so &#8220;Beachys&#8221; and &#8220;Mennonites&#8221; will always be &#8220;Beachys&#8221; or &#8220;Mennonites&#8221;. And &#8220;Non-Mennonites&#8221; Never will BECOME &#8220;Mennonites&#8221; just as &#8220;Non-Beachys&#8221; never will BECOME &#8220;Beachys&#8221;. I Could write lots more, but will close with that. Are there any &#8220;Testimonies&#8221; or &#8220;Announcements&#8221;,&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. if not let&#8217;s stand for prayer.</p>
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		<title>By: HBB</title>
		<link>http://www.beachycomplex.com/2007/10/a-serious-discussion-a-second-attempt.html#comment-2752</link>
		<dc:creator>HBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent point! And that is the final test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent point! And that is the final test.</p>
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		<title>By: Stoltz13</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stoltz13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"We would reach them if we were a little less self-righteous."

I've been left thinking...    what are you doing to change this in your own life?  

At least that is the question I have to ask myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We would reach them if we were a little less self-righteous.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been left thinking&#8230;    what are you doing to change this in your own life?  </p>
<p>At least that is the question I have to ask myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Champagne</title>
		<link>http://www.beachycomplex.com/2007/10/a-serious-discussion-a-second-attempt.html#comment-2668</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Champagne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thoughts... I don't find all your writings to be so inspiring, but this post is good.

To be changed from the inside by the person and life of Jesus Christ and to effectively live in this world and communicate to others the love of Christ is a staggering challenge and no one of us has all the answers. As a non-Menno/Amish background individual who has joined the conservative Mennonite crowd, I've found some of the negative things you mentioned true, however I see a change for the better in many, as we become more culturally agnostic and define more clearly what it means to be a disciple of Christ wherever we are regardless of culture, language, ethnicity or other factors that have no bearing on eternity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thoughts&#8230; I don&#8217;t find all your writings to be so inspiring, but this post is good.</p>
<p>To be changed from the inside by the person and life of Jesus Christ and to effectively live in this world and communicate to others the love of Christ is a staggering challenge and no one of us has all the answers. As a non-Menno/Amish background individual who has joined the conservative Mennonite crowd, I&#8217;ve found some of the negative things you mentioned true, however I see a change for the better in many, as we become more culturally agnostic and define more clearly what it means to be a disciple of Christ wherever we are regardless of culture, language, ethnicity or other factors that have no bearing on eternity.</p>
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		<title>By: NB</title>
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		<dc:creator>NB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RIGHT! AMEN! It's great to see it verbalized so plainly... things I have thought about and wrestled with for a long time. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIGHT! AMEN! It&#8217;s great to see it verbalized so plainly&#8230; things I have thought about and wrestled with for a long time. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Humphries</title>
		<link>http://www.beachycomplex.com/2007/10/a-serious-discussion-a-second-attempt.html#comment-2136</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Humphries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello -- haven't "talked" with you for awhile!  How are you?  I just wanted to say that I really liked this post -- that's what the Lord's been telling me for years and years! If the heart doesn't change, nothing else will!  

Hope you're doing well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello &#8212; haven&#8217;t &#8220;talked&#8221; with you for awhile!  How are you?  I just wanted to say that I really liked this post &#8212; that&#8217;s what the Lord&#8217;s been telling me for years and years! If the heart doesn&#8217;t change, nothing else will!  </p>
<p>Hope you&#8217;re doing well.</p>
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